1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:12,930 foreign 2 00:00:12,940 --> 00:00:16,480 [Music] 3 00:00:16,490 --> 00:00:26,570 [Applause] 4 00:00:30,769 --> 00:00:28,849 this is a pretty interesting season of 5 00:00:34,069 --> 00:00:30,779 The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch we are 6 00:00:35,630 --> 00:00:34,079 now on season four episode four and 7 00:00:38,450 --> 00:00:35,640 we'll be doing a review with Jimmy 8 00:00:41,510 --> 00:00:38,460 Church Micah Hanks and myself and we 9 00:00:43,549 --> 00:00:41,520 will be doing more reviews as we go 10 00:00:46,490 --> 00:00:43,559 forward I would like to mention it's 11 00:00:51,529 --> 00:00:46,500 going to be about a 30 to 40 40 Minute 12 00:00:53,090 --> 00:00:51,539 review and then after this a new 13 00:00:54,709 --> 00:00:53,100 interview that I did with Thomas 14 00:00:56,689 --> 00:00:54,719 Winterton the superintendent will 15 00:00:58,910 --> 00:00:56,699 premiere on my channel as part of the 16 00:01:00,350 --> 00:00:58,920 Skinwalker Ranch interview series and 17 00:01:02,869 --> 00:01:00,360 you can find my interviews with the 18 00:01:05,509 --> 00:01:02,879 entire research team and Brandon fugle 19 00:01:07,730 --> 00:01:05,519 on a playlist on my channel there's 20 00:01:10,190 --> 00:01:07,740 going to be so many spoilers in this 21 00:01:11,450 --> 00:01:10,200 episode so if you haven't watched the 22 00:01:14,149 --> 00:01:11,460 show 23 00:01:17,630 --> 00:01:14,159 watch it and then come back but let me 24 00:01:21,830 --> 00:01:17,640 bring in my guests co-hosts and Friends 25 00:01:23,330 --> 00:01:21,840 Jamie church and Micah Hanks guys how 26 00:01:26,410 --> 00:01:23,340 are you 27 00:01:29,749 --> 00:01:26,420 doing good as always 28 00:01:33,530 --> 00:01:29,759 you didn't catch that on camera did you 29 00:01:35,569 --> 00:01:33,540 catch what okay good good 30 00:01:37,789 --> 00:01:35,579 that's all you needed to know good 31 00:01:39,649 --> 00:01:37,799 that's it I think I think Jimmy you've 32 00:01:41,149 --> 00:01:39,659 got one of those uh hitchhikers that 33 00:01:43,249 --> 00:01:41,159 followed you home from the ranch yeah 34 00:01:44,810 --> 00:01:43,259 that's that's what that was it had 35 00:01:46,789 --> 00:01:44,820 nothing to do with me it was something 36 00:01:51,050 --> 00:01:46,799 in the background 37 00:01:54,230 --> 00:01:51,060 um great uh to be with the two of you so 38 00:01:57,289 --> 00:01:54,240 welcome hello Micah hello Christina and 39 00:01:59,469 --> 00:01:57,299 uh great day I just uh finished uh the 40 00:02:01,850 --> 00:01:59,479 episode which was 41 00:02:03,469 --> 00:02:01,860 entertaining yeah it was good there was 42 00:02:06,109 --> 00:02:03,479 some there was some good stuff we'll be 43 00:02:07,190 --> 00:02:06,119 going through all of that Micah uh did 44 00:02:09,169 --> 00:02:07,200 you watch it 45 00:02:10,969 --> 00:02:09,179 not only did I watch the most recent one 46 00:02:12,589 --> 00:02:10,979 but you know I hadn't caught up on this 47 00:02:15,369 --> 00:02:12,599 season yet so I stayed up a little late 48 00:02:18,050 --> 00:02:15,379 last night and I binged the entire thing 49 00:02:19,910 --> 00:02:18,060 and I think I've got a a much better 50 00:02:24,470 --> 00:02:19,920 perspective on the latest happenings out 51 00:02:28,610 --> 00:02:24,480 there at the ranch yeah yeah Christina 52 00:02:31,610 --> 00:02:28,620 you've watched everything right from 53 00:02:34,610 --> 00:02:31,620 episode one how are you feeling right 54 00:02:37,190 --> 00:02:34,620 now after season four episode four 55 00:02:40,369 --> 00:02:37,200 so season four by far has been the best 56 00:02:42,530 --> 00:02:40,379 one that I've that we've all seen with 57 00:02:44,570 --> 00:02:42,540 this particular episode episode four I 58 00:02:47,509 --> 00:02:44,580 feel like it was a tying a lot of loose 59 00:02:49,490 --> 00:02:47,519 ends from last week's show there were a 60 00:02:51,890 --> 00:02:49,500 lot of open-ended questions that the 61 00:02:54,229 --> 00:02:51,900 show just ended on and I felt like this 62 00:02:57,170 --> 00:02:54,239 particular episode while it wasn't like 63 00:02:59,630 --> 00:02:57,180 wild and crazy and filled with action it 64 00:03:01,910 --> 00:02:59,640 was answering a lot of questions I think 65 00:03:03,550 --> 00:03:01,920 that myself and others had from last 66 00:03:08,110 --> 00:03:03,560 week 67 00:03:12,470 --> 00:03:08,120 you know what I got can I do okay 68 00:03:14,330 --> 00:03:12,480 Christina did a spoiler alert 69 00:03:16,070 --> 00:03:14,340 um if you haven't seen it go watch it 70 00:03:18,710 --> 00:03:16,080 and then come back and and listen to 71 00:03:23,149 --> 00:03:18,720 this or if you don't give a crap you 72 00:03:27,589 --> 00:03:23,159 know you don't care about spoilers I do 73 00:03:30,410 --> 00:03:27,599 um but I I got a twisted spoiler uh that 74 00:03:32,270 --> 00:03:30,420 I'm gonna lay on everybody 75 00:03:33,530 --> 00:03:32,280 um has to do with Egypt and the Great 76 00:03:37,430 --> 00:03:33,540 Pyramid 77 00:03:40,250 --> 00:03:37,440 okay and it was this the episode starts 78 00:03:41,930 --> 00:03:40,260 with what was you know where it left off 79 00:03:43,610 --> 00:03:41,940 last week they brought in a Big Crane 80 00:03:45,009 --> 00:03:43,620 they're gonna start moving rocks off the 81 00:03:49,309 --> 00:03:45,019 Mesa right 82 00:03:51,470 --> 00:03:49,319 and the struggle that they are going 83 00:03:55,309 --> 00:03:51,480 through Micah that was a pretty massive 84 00:03:58,789 --> 00:03:55,319 crane right this is massive and they are 85 00:04:01,970 --> 00:03:58,799 struggling to move these boulders 86 00:04:04,670 --> 00:04:01,980 and look how they have to wrap them and 87 00:04:09,050 --> 00:04:04,680 chain them up and the crew members that 88 00:04:12,470 --> 00:04:09,060 are there just to go bloop bloop right 89 00:04:14,270 --> 00:04:12,480 and and and I thought 90 00:04:17,150 --> 00:04:14,280 how did they build the Great Pyramid 91 00:04:20,330 --> 00:04:17,160 right I just it popped into my head 92 00:04:23,510 --> 00:04:20,340 because of the size of they were moving 93 00:04:26,930 --> 00:04:23,520 these multi-ton rocks 94 00:04:29,150 --> 00:04:26,940 um and and the amount of prep 95 00:04:31,129 --> 00:04:29,160 um and I I just got that out of the show 96 00:04:33,230 --> 00:04:31,139 The the thing is I'm not going to dwell 97 00:04:35,450 --> 00:04:33,240 on this for too long go and watch the 98 00:04:37,790 --> 00:04:35,460 episode and you'll understand you know 99 00:04:41,990 --> 00:04:37,800 the old saying uh that is out there the 100 00:04:43,909 --> 00:04:42,000 Dogma uh one Boulder every two and a 101 00:04:46,370 --> 00:04:43,919 half minutes one block every two and a 102 00:04:48,890 --> 00:04:46,380 half minutes for 20 years is what built 103 00:04:51,650 --> 00:04:48,900 the Great Pyramid well obviously they 104 00:04:54,950 --> 00:04:51,660 didn't do it with a crane because that 105 00:04:57,469 --> 00:04:54,960 would have taken them about 3 000 years 106 00:05:00,110 --> 00:04:57,479 uh to build the Great Pyramid at the 107 00:05:01,249 --> 00:05:00,120 pace that they were just moving those 108 00:05:03,650 --> 00:05:01,259 Boulders 109 00:05:05,450 --> 00:05:03,660 um and they've got a lot of work cut out 110 00:05:07,129 --> 00:05:05,460 in front of them when you look at the 111 00:05:09,409 --> 00:05:07,139 amount of Boulders in front of them on 112 00:05:11,510 --> 00:05:09,419 the Mesa uh would you agree with that 113 00:05:13,550 --> 00:05:11,520 Christina that's a lot of work I think 114 00:05:16,670 --> 00:05:13,560 that's a really interesting point that 115 00:05:20,150 --> 00:05:16,680 you made uh bringing tying in Egypt to 116 00:05:22,189 --> 00:05:20,160 Today's Show Micah before we even get 117 00:05:24,290 --> 00:05:22,199 started into the review going into 118 00:05:26,210 --> 00:05:24,300 detail and all the little tidbits what 119 00:05:28,550 --> 00:05:26,220 were your overall thoughts on this 120 00:05:30,590 --> 00:05:28,560 episode since you caught up all last 121 00:05:33,350 --> 00:05:30,600 night for season four 122 00:05:34,550 --> 00:05:33,360 well I mean this obviously in my opinion 123 00:05:36,050 --> 00:05:34,560 and I told you this before the show 124 00:05:38,570 --> 00:05:36,060 Christina I don't think it was the most 125 00:05:40,370 --> 00:05:38,580 interesting episode of the most recent 126 00:05:41,510 --> 00:05:40,380 season now you know let's look at a 127 00:05:43,310 --> 00:05:41,520 couple of things that have happened here 128 00:05:44,749 --> 00:05:43,320 and I'm gonna speak from a position of 129 00:05:46,010 --> 00:05:44,759 you know I don't know if either of you 130 00:05:48,650 --> 00:05:46,020 have been there but I mean I've been at 131 00:05:50,570 --> 00:05:48,660 least up to the gate of Skinwalker Ranch 132 00:05:52,790 --> 00:05:50,580 Chrissy Newton and I drew I drove out 133 00:05:54,890 --> 00:05:52,800 there a while back uh I've also been out 134 00:05:56,870 --> 00:05:54,900 there in the adjacent area I've been 135 00:05:59,570 --> 00:05:56,880 invited to come back and actually camp 136 00:06:01,310 --> 00:05:59,580 out there later this year 137 00:06:02,810 --> 00:06:01,320 um and I've actually camped in the I 138 00:06:05,450 --> 00:06:02,820 guess what you'd call the bottle Hollow 139 00:06:07,969 --> 00:06:05,460 area I've been on an adjacent Ranch and 140 00:06:09,830 --> 00:06:07,979 spent quite a lot of time on blind frog 141 00:06:12,170 --> 00:06:09,840 Ranch and gone up into the mountains I 142 00:06:13,550 --> 00:06:12,180 mean and really gotten a good feel for 143 00:06:15,890 --> 00:06:13,560 the diversity geologically 144 00:06:18,110 --> 00:06:15,900 topographically in terms of the animal 145 00:06:19,490 --> 00:06:18,120 life that you see in the region in terms 146 00:06:22,670 --> 00:06:19,500 of a lot of the different you know 147 00:06:24,529 --> 00:06:22,680 factors and also uh I've spent some time 148 00:06:26,450 --> 00:06:24,539 interviewing a lot of people who have 149 00:06:28,490 --> 00:06:26,460 seen unusual things out there people who 150 00:06:32,270 --> 00:06:28,500 have historic accounts of UAP sightings 151 00:06:35,029 --> 00:06:32,280 and other things so uh there's a lot I 152 00:06:36,890 --> 00:06:35,039 think to experience in Utah and there's 153 00:06:38,570 --> 00:06:36,900 a lot of deep history that kind of 154 00:06:40,249 --> 00:06:38,580 builds behind what we see on this 155 00:06:41,870 --> 00:06:40,259 program and so coming from that 156 00:06:43,309 --> 00:06:41,880 background watching this new series you 157 00:06:45,050 --> 00:06:43,319 know the first three episodes were 158 00:06:46,790 --> 00:06:45,060 really interesting this one was kind of 159 00:06:48,290 --> 00:06:46,800 a recap and it built onto some things 160 00:06:50,029 --> 00:06:48,300 that happened last time with of course 161 00:06:52,370 --> 00:06:50,039 again we're in the spoiler Zone already 162 00:06:54,469 --> 00:06:52,380 folks but with a possible UAP sighting 163 00:06:56,629 --> 00:06:54,479 toward the end of the episode but one 164 00:06:59,629 --> 00:06:56,639 thing that really interests me is the 165 00:07:01,909 --> 00:06:59,639 way that this new series is having to 166 00:07:03,950 --> 00:07:01,919 play with this Dynamic of it having come 167 00:07:06,170 --> 00:07:03,960 out that Dr Travis Taylor had assisted 168 00:07:08,090 --> 00:07:06,180 the Navy's UAP task force this kind of 169 00:07:11,150 --> 00:07:08,100 being an underlying theme throughout 170 00:07:12,590 --> 00:07:11,160 this series now I know a lot of people I 171 00:07:13,969 --> 00:07:12,600 tend to be pretty critically minded and 172 00:07:17,150 --> 00:07:13,979 pretty skeptical about things at times 173 00:07:20,029 --> 00:07:17,160 as Jimmy knows I also think though that 174 00:07:22,550 --> 00:07:20,039 it's almost expected these days of 175 00:07:23,629 --> 00:07:22,560 people who lean towards skepticism that 176 00:07:25,790 --> 00:07:23,639 they're going to be critical of the show 177 00:07:27,290 --> 00:07:25,800 critical of the characters while I was 178 00:07:29,390 --> 00:07:27,300 out in Utah Chrissy Newton and I 179 00:07:30,469 --> 00:07:29,400 interviewed Travis Taylor we sat down we 180 00:07:32,870 --> 00:07:30,479 spoke to him at length on another 181 00:07:34,249 --> 00:07:32,880 occasion Vision I spoke with him at 182 00:07:36,230 --> 00:07:34,259 length actually at an aerospace 183 00:07:37,730 --> 00:07:36,240 conference uh he and also the former 184 00:07:39,529 --> 00:07:37,740 director of the UAP task force Jay 185 00:07:40,850 --> 00:07:39,539 Stratton so all of us together sitting 186 00:07:42,529 --> 00:07:40,860 there talking I've got a bit of 187 00:07:45,290 --> 00:07:42,539 background with these people the 188 00:07:46,550 --> 00:07:45,300 insinuations that they are inept that 189 00:07:48,050 --> 00:07:46,560 they are incapable that they have 190 00:07:49,610 --> 00:07:48,060 extraordinary beliefs sure they are 191 00:07:51,890 --> 00:07:49,620 inclined to believe some extraordinary 192 00:07:53,689 --> 00:07:51,900 things as is inherent to the UAP study 193 00:07:55,370 --> 00:07:53,699 itself but I can tell you I've been 194 00:07:57,770 --> 00:07:55,380 around these guys and I mean Travis 195 00:07:59,150 --> 00:07:57,780 Taylor is a rocket scientist so looking 196 00:08:00,650 --> 00:07:59,160 at this new series 197 00:08:02,809 --> 00:08:00,660 some of the most interesting things that 198 00:08:05,089 --> 00:08:02,819 I've seen so far this 1.6 gigahertz 199 00:08:06,589 --> 00:08:05,099 transmission that keeps popping up I've 200 00:08:07,790 --> 00:08:06,599 done some you know looking into that and 201 00:08:10,730 --> 00:08:07,800 we'll talk about that a little bit later 202 00:08:13,309 --> 00:08:10,740 uh some of the apparent data anomalies 203 00:08:14,809 --> 00:08:13,319 that are occurring again in the in the 204 00:08:16,610 --> 00:08:14,819 teasers everybody saw the trailer 205 00:08:18,710 --> 00:08:16,620 leading up to this season you know and 206 00:08:19,850 --> 00:08:18,720 the thing going on with the drones and 207 00:08:21,409 --> 00:08:19,860 everybody's saying well this looks like 208 00:08:23,689 --> 00:08:21,419 it's actually one of those drone swarms 209 00:08:25,610 --> 00:08:23,699 being controlled in fact that sequence 210 00:08:27,890 --> 00:08:25,620 we saw in the trailer is exactly what it 211 00:08:30,050 --> 00:08:27,900 appeared to be but when we saw that 212 00:08:32,449 --> 00:08:30,060 episode a couple of weeks ago and for me 213 00:08:34,269 --> 00:08:32,459 of course last night uh what's more 214 00:08:37,190 --> 00:08:34,279 interesting to me is the way that the 215 00:08:39,889 --> 00:08:37,200 drones were so difficult to control in 216 00:08:41,870 --> 00:08:39,899 that so-called triangle area of the 217 00:08:43,730 --> 00:08:41,880 ranch whereas in an adjacent property 218 00:08:46,250 --> 00:08:43,740 right there on the same you know Ranch 219 00:08:48,470 --> 00:08:46,260 on Skinwalker we had very little 220 00:08:50,389 --> 00:08:48,480 disturbance there was the cubic kind of 221 00:08:51,650 --> 00:08:50,399 a shape of the drones in their in their 222 00:08:53,150 --> 00:08:51,660 pattern flying up and coming down 223 00:08:54,889 --> 00:08:53,160 whereas I mean they were all over the 224 00:08:56,930 --> 00:08:54,899 place in this other instance so what 225 00:08:58,490 --> 00:08:56,940 appears to be happening is we've got 226 00:09:01,370 --> 00:08:58,500 radio interference or other kinds of 227 00:09:03,530 --> 00:09:01,380 frequency see interference things that 228 00:09:05,870 --> 00:09:03,540 are disrupting Communications and the 229 00:09:09,050 --> 00:09:05,880 control of devices we've also got 230 00:09:11,269 --> 00:09:09,060 purported disruption of the ability to 231 00:09:14,269 --> 00:09:11,279 Pilot Vehicles like helicopters as we've 232 00:09:16,009 --> 00:09:14,279 seen there's also this alleged dome-like 233 00:09:18,470 --> 00:09:16,019 structure some sort of a metallic object 234 00:09:20,090 --> 00:09:18,480 that may be beneath that Mesa so it 235 00:09:21,949 --> 00:09:20,100 seems pretty clear that I mean even if 236 00:09:24,170 --> 00:09:21,959 you don't ascribe paranormal phenomena 237 00:09:26,150 --> 00:09:24,180 to these things and I'm open to that 238 00:09:27,769 --> 00:09:26,160 possibility of course but there seems to 239 00:09:29,389 --> 00:09:27,779 be something worthy of scientific 240 00:09:30,710 --> 00:09:29,399 attention out there at this Ranch now 241 00:09:33,290 --> 00:09:30,720 the question and this is the one that's 242 00:09:35,449 --> 00:09:33,300 been going on now for decades is what is 243 00:09:37,370 --> 00:09:35,459 it about that location that makes it so 244 00:09:40,009 --> 00:09:37,380 unique would we find these same sorts of 245 00:09:41,570 --> 00:09:40,019 things on adjacent properties and that's 246 00:09:43,009 --> 00:09:41,580 one final point I'll make on this new 247 00:09:44,449 --> 00:09:43,019 season the area I mentioned earlier 248 00:09:45,949 --> 00:09:44,459 bottle Hollow up there around the 249 00:09:47,810 --> 00:09:45,959 reservoir I've been to that Reservoir 250 00:09:49,190 --> 00:09:47,820 now we're starting to also see that 251 00:09:50,870 --> 00:09:49,200 there's at least some data from the 252 00:09:52,310 --> 00:09:50,880 locals talking about similar phenomena 253 00:09:54,710 --> 00:09:52,320 occurring there and I've always wondered 254 00:09:57,110 --> 00:09:54,720 I mean why would these phenomena 255 00:09:59,570 --> 00:09:57,120 recognize the property boundaries that 256 00:10:00,889 --> 00:09:59,580 we draw right around skin walk around it 257 00:10:04,009 --> 00:10:00,899 seems and this going back to Junior 258 00:10:05,690 --> 00:10:04,019 Hicks and uh Frank B salisbury's earlier 259 00:10:07,990 --> 00:10:05,700 work there this phenomena is more 260 00:10:12,650 --> 00:10:08,000 widespread throughout the region 261 00:10:16,430 --> 00:10:12,660 why okay now this is I'm going to make a 262 00:10:19,130 --> 00:10:16,440 general statement but it this episode 263 00:10:21,130 --> 00:10:19,140 was a classic example of what I'm about 264 00:10:26,170 --> 00:10:21,140 to say 265 00:10:30,050 --> 00:10:26,180 everything isn't strange right right 266 00:10:33,530 --> 00:10:30,060 but here in this episode 267 00:10:37,970 --> 00:10:33,540 everything is approached with that 268 00:10:40,550 --> 00:10:37,980 mindset first that it is strange and 269 00:10:44,210 --> 00:10:40,560 let's back it up and and then try to 270 00:10:46,490 --> 00:10:44,220 figure it out and that I I don't know if 271 00:10:49,550 --> 00:10:46,500 that's a healthy way to go at it but 272 00:10:52,490 --> 00:10:49,560 here's my comment Maybe 273 00:10:57,110 --> 00:10:52,500 everything is strange at Skinwalker 274 00:11:01,370 --> 00:10:57,120 right maybe maybe that is just the case 275 00:11:05,269 --> 00:11:01,380 um you know the the 1.6 gigahertz uh the 276 00:11:10,430 --> 00:11:05,279 the helicopter changing altitude uh the 277 00:11:13,509 --> 00:11:10,440 UAP anomaly the Blackhawk helicopter 278 00:11:15,829 --> 00:11:13,519 um and on and on there's much more the 279 00:11:18,250 --> 00:11:15,839 interference with with the crane 280 00:11:20,690 --> 00:11:18,260 operator with the counterbalance right 281 00:11:22,730 --> 00:11:20,700 everything is just like oh that's weird 282 00:11:26,210 --> 00:11:22,740 that's weird it ties in it's weird it's 283 00:11:27,889 --> 00:11:26,220 weird is everything strange 284 00:11:32,210 --> 00:11:27,899 or not 285 00:11:36,470 --> 00:11:32,220 right and I I I'm not so sure maybe 286 00:11:37,490 --> 00:11:36,480 everything is connected at Skinwalker 287 00:11:39,650 --> 00:11:37,500 um I don't know if we're ever gonna 288 00:11:43,730 --> 00:11:39,660 figure it out but this episode was an 289 00:11:46,730 --> 00:11:43,740 example of that every little funky thing 290 00:11:50,030 --> 00:11:46,740 that went down the the the the the the 291 00:11:52,009 --> 00:11:50,040 Woo is connected to it first instead of 292 00:11:54,350 --> 00:11:52,019 the opposite and trying to look at it 293 00:11:55,870 --> 00:11:54,360 with another pair of eyes may I build 294 00:11:57,829 --> 00:11:55,880 off of that point 295 00:11:59,509 --> 00:11:57,839 because Jimmy makes really important 296 00:12:02,030 --> 00:11:59,519 point I mean there do seem to be a lot 297 00:12:03,949 --> 00:12:02,040 of phenomena occurring admittedly from 298 00:12:05,990 --> 00:12:03,959 an outsider perspective trying not to be 299 00:12:07,730 --> 00:12:06,000 too critical of the casting characters 300 00:12:09,710 --> 00:12:07,740 but also being somebody who comes from a 301 00:12:11,690 --> 00:12:09,720 background of you know science made for 302 00:12:13,310 --> 00:12:11,700 television it doesn't mean science can't 303 00:12:15,829 --> 00:12:13,320 be done but usually it has more of an 304 00:12:19,130 --> 00:12:15,839 entertainment factor involved in serious 305 00:12:21,350 --> 00:12:19,140 rigorous analysis and study right 306 00:12:23,630 --> 00:12:21,360 um as is conducted in a lab in other 307 00:12:25,670 --> 00:12:23,640 words now you can do a bit of both and 308 00:12:27,170 --> 00:12:25,680 in this instance I think that uh rather 309 00:12:29,569 --> 00:12:27,180 than approaching it with the presumption 310 00:12:30,889 --> 00:12:29,579 that things are range how a scientist 311 00:12:31,910 --> 00:12:30,899 would really look at this is okay you 312 00:12:33,470 --> 00:12:31,920 know we're going to observe all 313 00:12:35,269 --> 00:12:33,480 phenomena be open-minded we're not going 314 00:12:37,009 --> 00:12:35,279 to preclude the possibility of 315 00:12:38,509 --> 00:12:37,019 strangeness but we're going to work this 316 00:12:40,370 --> 00:12:38,519 off the assumption that we can study it 317 00:12:42,650 --> 00:12:40,380 analyze the problem and come to 318 00:12:44,690 --> 00:12:42,660 conclusions if no conclusions are 319 00:12:46,250 --> 00:12:44,700 reached to me the true definition of 320 00:12:48,470 --> 00:12:46,260 unexplained is something where we can't 321 00:12:51,769 --> 00:12:48,480 easily fit phenomena that are observed 322 00:12:53,389 --> 00:12:51,779 into a neat category and at least some 323 00:12:55,129 --> 00:12:53,399 of the things happening at Skinwalker 324 00:12:57,230 --> 00:12:55,139 seem to fall into that category but 325 00:12:58,730 --> 00:12:57,240 perhaps the best evidence of that and 326 00:13:00,530 --> 00:12:58,740 again to Jimmy's point is not 327 00:13:03,350 --> 00:13:00,540 necessarily the cast of characters Dr 328 00:13:05,030 --> 00:13:03,360 Taylor and others it really is the other 329 00:13:07,129 --> 00:13:05,040 experts that are coming into the picture 330 00:13:09,590 --> 00:13:07,139 and who have brought their equipment 331 00:13:10,730 --> 00:13:09,600 there to the location and at least you 332 00:13:12,230 --> 00:13:10,740 know giving them the benefit of the 333 00:13:13,790 --> 00:13:12,240 doubt that this wasn't all orchestrated 334 00:13:15,410 --> 00:13:13,800 for television I you know again there 335 00:13:16,610 --> 00:13:15,420 would be serious ethical implications if 336 00:13:19,970 --> 00:13:16,620 that were happening and I'm not 337 00:13:21,470 --> 00:13:19,980 proposing that it is if we can presume 338 00:13:23,629 --> 00:13:21,480 that what we see happening on the screen 339 00:13:25,970 --> 00:13:23,639 is as it actually unfolded and these 340 00:13:27,590 --> 00:13:25,980 experts as they have said are observing 341 00:13:29,329 --> 00:13:27,600 anomalies and experiencing things again 342 00:13:30,889 --> 00:13:29,339 the one guy who was working the lidar 343 00:13:32,389 --> 00:13:30,899 system saying this is extremely 344 00:13:35,090 --> 00:13:32,399 anomalous you remember that I think in 345 00:13:37,009 --> 00:13:35,100 episode three you know that to me is the 346 00:13:39,590 --> 00:13:37,019 best indication that experts from 347 00:13:41,629 --> 00:13:39,600 outside that sort of Paradigm are also 348 00:13:43,370 --> 00:13:41,639 saying we've got something unusual 349 00:13:44,870 --> 00:13:43,380 happening here and even though some of 350 00:13:46,610 --> 00:13:44,880 the phenomena can be explained it's 351 00:13:47,930 --> 00:13:46,620 harder to rule out the idea that all 352 00:13:50,990 --> 00:13:47,940 these experts would come there and 353 00:13:52,430 --> 00:13:51,000 experience anomalies and be so inept as 354 00:13:53,690 --> 00:13:52,440 Professionals in their field that they 355 00:13:55,370 --> 00:13:53,700 couldn't actually operate their 356 00:13:57,110 --> 00:13:55,380 equipment and that this was all just 357 00:13:58,550 --> 00:13:57,120 show for the camera or it was again an 358 00:14:00,590 --> 00:13:58,560 aptitude I mean there really seems to be 359 00:14:02,329 --> 00:14:00,600 something going on there well that's a 360 00:14:04,490 --> 00:14:02,339 that's a really good point and I want to 361 00:14:06,530 --> 00:14:04,500 get to a couple of specific moments and 362 00:14:09,410 --> 00:14:06,540 I'm sure Christine is just itching too 363 00:14:11,389 --> 00:14:09,420 to get to to the things that she's got 364 00:14:15,290 --> 00:14:11,399 bullet points on 365 00:14:16,550 --> 00:14:15,300 um but the things that because when you 366 00:14:19,009 --> 00:14:16,560 are 367 00:14:22,430 --> 00:14:19,019 um an audience member or somebody like 368 00:14:24,889 --> 00:14:22,440 me that wants something to be proven 369 00:14:27,470 --> 00:14:24,899 right I do man I'm just on the edge of 370 00:14:29,870 --> 00:14:27,480 my seat with this stuff and but what you 371 00:14:34,670 --> 00:14:29,880 don't want is you don't want a healthy 372 00:14:36,829 --> 00:14:34,680 dose of facts come in to support your 373 00:14:40,210 --> 00:14:36,839 crazy mind because you don't want to go 374 00:14:43,189 --> 00:14:40,220 nuts right and and and 375 00:14:45,350 --> 00:14:43,199 you don't and then the Attorney General 376 00:14:48,110 --> 00:14:45,360 right that states are Journey attorney 377 00:14:50,329 --> 00:14:48,120 general comes in and says yeah that was 378 00:14:53,030 --> 00:14:50,339 a Blackhawk helicopter yeah flying 379 00:14:55,930 --> 00:14:53,040 around that's that kind of freaked me 380 00:15:00,470 --> 00:14:55,940 out it's like okay 381 00:15:03,530 --> 00:15:00,480 that who who privately owns a Blackhawk 382 00:15:06,230 --> 00:15:03,540 uh that's probably you know people own 383 00:15:08,090 --> 00:15:06,240 f-16s I guess you know privately in the 384 00:15:09,769 --> 00:15:08,100 United States does somebody have a 385 00:15:13,670 --> 00:15:09,779 Blackhawk private 386 00:15:17,210 --> 00:15:13,680 I don't know of anybody so that would 387 00:15:20,389 --> 00:15:17,220 mean that the government was hovering 388 00:15:22,970 --> 00:15:20,399 um over Skinwalker and and checking 389 00:15:25,610 --> 00:15:22,980 things out that that kind of freaked me 390 00:15:27,829 --> 00:15:25,620 out a little bit and and I mean does 391 00:15:29,269 --> 00:15:27,839 Brandon have the resources to call it 392 00:15:31,610 --> 00:15:29,279 the Department of Defense of the Air 393 00:15:33,650 --> 00:15:31,620 National Guard of Utah and say hey we 394 00:15:35,389 --> 00:15:33,660 want to sensationalize our show can we 395 00:15:36,530 --> 00:15:35,399 borrow one of your Blackhawks for a 396 00:15:40,009 --> 00:15:36,540 minute 397 00:15:43,430 --> 00:15:40,019 um I I don't see that that's a very you 398 00:15:44,689 --> 00:15:43,440 know very brutal ethical you know moral 399 00:15:46,970 --> 00:15:44,699 bending 400 00:15:49,210 --> 00:15:46,980 um thing you you just wouldn't do that 401 00:15:53,590 --> 00:15:49,220 so what was the military doing there 402 00:15:57,050 --> 00:15:53,600 that that adds and that doesn't that add 403 00:15:59,329 --> 00:15:57,060 to not only skin walk or Ranch but the 404 00:16:00,530 --> 00:15:59,339 credibility of the show just to confirm 405 00:16:03,470 --> 00:16:00,540 what you're saying there Jimmy again the 406 00:16:05,090 --> 00:16:03,480 uh-60 Blackhawk is a military helicopter 407 00:16:06,410 --> 00:16:05,100 there are about 4 000 of them I think 408 00:16:08,210 --> 00:16:06,420 currently in existence around the world 409 00:16:10,850 --> 00:16:08,220 used for different purposes primarily by 410 00:16:12,769 --> 00:16:10,860 the U.S military no I don't think that 411 00:16:14,269 --> 00:16:12,779 Mr fugel has the strings that he can 412 00:16:16,069 --> 00:16:14,279 pull to be able to get them to come out 413 00:16:18,170 --> 00:16:16,079 there and do that that clearly seemed to 414 00:16:20,449 --> 00:16:18,180 be if indeed the Attorney General was 415 00:16:21,769 --> 00:16:20,459 correct in his assessment that that was 416 00:16:23,449 --> 00:16:21,779 a Black Hawk and he shows the flight 417 00:16:25,129 --> 00:16:23,459 path there if that's what actually 418 00:16:26,750 --> 00:16:25,139 happened it seems pretty clear that for 419 00:16:27,949 --> 00:16:26,760 whatever reason the military had gone 420 00:16:29,810 --> 00:16:27,959 out there to check out something that 421 00:16:30,949 --> 00:16:29,820 was happening coinciding with an 422 00:16:33,230 --> 00:16:30,959 experiment that they did there at the 423 00:16:36,670 --> 00:16:33,240 ranch right right pretty interesting I 424 00:16:38,870 --> 00:16:36,680 found that to be interesting all right 425 00:16:40,610 --> 00:16:38,880 there well I thought there's a few 426 00:16:42,230 --> 00:16:40,620 things that I do want to mention about 427 00:16:43,910 --> 00:16:42,240 this black helicopter it was a 428 00:16:46,370 --> 00:16:43,920 fascinating topic last week we went into 429 00:16:47,990 --> 00:16:46,380 detail about transponders I found some 430 00:16:49,249 --> 00:16:48,000 more information I think is going to be 431 00:16:51,170 --> 00:16:49,259 very very valuable for today's 432 00:16:52,970 --> 00:16:51,180 conversation and I have to give a shout 433 00:16:55,249 --> 00:16:52,980 out and a thank you to Cryptkeeper on 434 00:16:57,790 --> 00:16:55,259 YouTube who actually sent me information 435 00:17:01,249 --> 00:16:57,800 about this I verified it and it's true 436 00:17:03,650 --> 00:17:01,259 transponders are not required below 10 437 00:17:06,350 --> 00:17:03,660 000 feet even in controlled airspace 438 00:17:10,490 --> 00:17:06,360 excluding B and C well Skinwalker Ranch 439 00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:10,500 is Group G and this is a part of the 440 00:17:14,650 --> 00:17:12,959 Federal Aviation Administration a part 441 00:17:17,929 --> 00:17:14,660 of their books it's part 442 00:17:20,990 --> 00:17:17,939 91.215 this is fact so that means that 443 00:17:23,689 --> 00:17:21,000 private Pilots can fly without using 444 00:17:25,850 --> 00:17:23,699 transponders if they choose but they 445 00:17:27,949 --> 00:17:25,860 still must follow other rules such as 446 00:17:30,650 --> 00:17:27,959 maintaining clear Airways and providing 447 00:17:33,549 --> 00:17:30,660 restricted airspace last week we spoke 448 00:17:35,930 --> 00:17:33,559 about that military 449 00:17:37,909 --> 00:17:35,940 aircraft do not always need to have 450 00:17:38,990 --> 00:17:37,919 transponders if they're told that they 451 00:17:40,970 --> 00:17:39,000 don't need it 452 00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:40,980 but here's a weird and interesting thing 453 00:17:46,330 --> 00:17:43,740 about the Blackhawk it can also be flown 454 00:17:49,610 --> 00:17:46,340 by civilians while this is a military 455 00:17:52,190 --> 00:17:49,620 aircraft civilians can also purchase 456 00:17:54,590 --> 00:17:52,200 these as well these have been in service 457 00:17:57,289 --> 00:17:54,600 since the 1980s excuse me 458 00:18:00,590 --> 00:17:57,299 so they're nothing new 459 00:18:03,230 --> 00:18:00,600 um but whoever whoever was flying this 460 00:18:06,590 --> 00:18:03,240 craft have it be military have it be 461 00:18:09,049 --> 00:18:06,600 civilian have it be a secret agency it's 462 00:18:11,930 --> 00:18:09,059 it's very scary it's very sketch because 463 00:18:15,890 --> 00:18:11,940 there is no further information when 464 00:18:18,590 --> 00:18:15,900 attorney general Sean Reyes said yes 465 00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:18,600 Cameron fugel you are right it was a 466 00:18:22,549 --> 00:18:20,400 Black Hawk that's all the information 467 00:18:24,950 --> 00:18:22,559 that we could receive when he tried to 468 00:18:27,110 --> 00:18:24,960 prod further into who was flying it why 469 00:18:30,289 --> 00:18:27,120 it was there he did not receive any 470 00:18:32,570 --> 00:18:30,299 further information if it the question 471 00:18:33,710 --> 00:18:32,580 would be why if it was military of 472 00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:33,720 course he wouldn't get that information 473 00:18:39,289 --> 00:18:37,200 if it was Private he probably also 474 00:18:41,630 --> 00:18:39,299 wouldn't get that information so 475 00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:41,640 regardless of who was flying it it 476 00:18:47,930 --> 00:18:45,360 broadens the scope of questions of why 477 00:18:50,450 --> 00:18:47,940 and why at that exact moment when the 478 00:18:53,330 --> 00:18:50,460 team was testing rockets and after the 479 00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:53,340 third rocket was launched and failed 480 00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:56,400 there was a UAP seed soon afterward you 481 00:19:00,230 --> 00:18:58,080 know Christina I think though that if it 482 00:19:01,490 --> 00:19:00,240 were a private owner of a Black Hawk 483 00:19:02,810 --> 00:19:01,500 that had just been flying out of that 484 00:19:04,610 --> 00:19:02,820 and again we know the airport that 485 00:19:06,830 --> 00:19:04,620 apparently it departed from and then the 486 00:19:08,810 --> 00:19:06,840 area that it actually went to based on 487 00:19:10,669 --> 00:19:08,820 its flight path it seems to me that a 488 00:19:12,289 --> 00:19:10,679 civilian would probably have had to file 489 00:19:14,450 --> 00:19:12,299 a flight log there should have been 490 00:19:16,669 --> 00:19:14,460 information available about that I would 491 00:19:18,350 --> 00:19:16,679 imagine also that it wouldn't be 492 00:19:20,450 --> 00:19:18,360 something that there wouldn't be comment 493 00:19:22,970 --> 00:19:20,460 available to the attorney general uh 494 00:19:25,549 --> 00:19:22,980 from that State uh if it had indeed just 495 00:19:26,810 --> 00:19:25,559 been a individual a person who maybe a 496 00:19:28,190 --> 00:19:26,820 wealthy 497 00:19:29,870 --> 00:19:28,200 um eccentric who had purchased a 498 00:19:32,930 --> 00:19:29,880 Blackhawk the final question though too 499 00:19:35,690 --> 00:19:32,940 is I mean if it were someone who were an 500 00:19:37,250 --> 00:19:35,700 independent owner and who had not been 501 00:19:38,810 --> 00:19:37,260 affiliated with any any kind of 502 00:19:39,950 --> 00:19:38,820 government or scientific organization 503 00:19:42,409 --> 00:19:39,960 why in the world would they have been 504 00:19:44,270 --> 00:19:42,419 flying out there over 505 00:19:45,710 --> 00:19:44,280 Skinwalker I mean what appears to be 506 00:19:48,049 --> 00:19:45,720 going on and you know speaking with 507 00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:48,059 people in the military myself about this 508 00:19:52,730 --> 00:19:50,160 when things like you know for instance 509 00:19:54,650 --> 00:19:52,740 candle balloons and other objects go up 510 00:19:56,750 --> 00:19:54,660 and there's a light seen in the sky from 511 00:19:59,810 --> 00:19:56,760 time to time the military will scramble 512 00:20:01,850 --> 00:19:59,820 aircraft to investigate those kinds of 513 00:20:04,610 --> 00:20:01,860 sightings I have personally witnessed 514 00:20:05,870 --> 00:20:04,620 this firsthand where after uh being out 515 00:20:07,970 --> 00:20:05,880 in the field with some friends many many 516 00:20:10,370 --> 00:20:07,980 years ago and sending some candle 517 00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:10,380 balloons up we actually had a couple of 518 00:20:15,409 --> 00:20:12,720 black helicopters that appeared to 519 00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:15,419 probably be consistent with uh-60s they 520 00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:17,039 came into the area and they appeared to 521 00:20:21,230 --> 00:20:19,440 scope out the area where the lights had 522 00:20:23,210 --> 00:20:21,240 been turned around and left now it so 523 00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:23,220 happened that at that time then 524 00:20:27,529 --> 00:20:25,200 President Barack Obama had been visiting 525 00:20:29,930 --> 00:20:27,539 the Asheville area and my suspicion had 526 00:20:31,730 --> 00:20:29,940 been that anything that maybe even had a 527 00:20:33,890 --> 00:20:31,740 superficial appearance of being unusual 528 00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:33,900 in our airspace at that time might have 529 00:20:37,250 --> 00:20:35,520 been checked out and I've had others 530 00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:37,260 confirm my suspicion that yeah that kind 531 00:20:40,250 --> 00:20:38,580 of thing does happen but once again 532 00:20:42,169 --> 00:20:40,260 that's me points to military it doesn't 533 00:20:44,090 --> 00:20:42,179 point to us civilian you know maybe 534 00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:44,100 flying around Utah's airspace with his 535 00:20:48,350 --> 00:20:46,080 own private uh-60 it seems far more 536 00:20:49,730 --> 00:20:48,360 likely at least that it actually have 537 00:20:52,190 --> 00:20:49,740 been a military aircraft so back to 538 00:20:54,529 --> 00:20:52,200 Jimmy's earlier point then why yeah no I 539 00:20:57,529 --> 00:20:54,539 I don't doubt it was shady non-civilian 540 00:21:00,110 --> 00:20:57,539 but that info just adds more spice to 541 00:21:03,770 --> 00:21:00,120 the mix in my opinion and then on top of 542 00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:03,780 that is something that I found so Taboo 543 00:21:09,950 --> 00:21:07,200 in in in the realm of Television is when 544 00:21:13,490 --> 00:21:09,960 Dragon mentioned is it the man in Black 545 00:21:15,650 --> 00:21:13,500 the Men in Black I saw that yeah right 546 00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:15,660 it's it's one of those topics that's 547 00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:18,960 really just filled with conspiracy no 548 00:21:22,190 --> 00:21:20,640 one really knows what they are are they 549 00:21:24,890 --> 00:21:22,200 just mere people working for the 550 00:21:26,570 --> 00:21:24,900 government are they alien are they some 551 00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:26,580 type of hybrid people that have 552 00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:28,559 allegedly encountered the Men in Black 553 00:21:32,210 --> 00:21:30,299 mentioned that they don't really have a 554 00:21:34,250 --> 00:21:32,220 lot of human characteristics they're 555 00:21:36,830 --> 00:21:34,260 just like they're really they have 556 00:21:39,169 --> 00:21:36,840 really odd behavior and for Dragon just 557 00:21:43,130 --> 00:21:39,179 to drop that and for the production team 558 00:21:45,470 --> 00:21:43,140 to place that in the show I found that 559 00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:45,480 um really interesting but at the same 560 00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:48,000 time as a viewer I was like that's taboo 561 00:21:54,830 --> 00:21:52,080 you yeah it snapped me to attention 562 00:21:57,289 --> 00:21:54,840 um I just looked up while everybody uh 563 00:22:00,289 --> 00:21:57,299 was commenting there I was listening uh 564 00:22:03,289 --> 00:22:00,299 there are a lot of Blackhawks for sale 565 00:22:06,110 --> 00:22:03,299 on the private Market I mean I just I 566 00:22:08,270 --> 00:22:06,120 just went to the Blackhawk site and uh 567 00:22:10,250 --> 00:22:08,280 plenty of them out there uh anywhere 568 00:22:14,510 --> 00:22:10,260 from two million to six million bucks 569 00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,520 man you know yeah yeah okay one of the 570 00:22:20,590 --> 00:22:16,320 older models Jimmy could have his own 571 00:22:25,070 --> 00:22:23,029 uh I'm looking at another type of 572 00:22:27,950 --> 00:22:25,080 aircraft right now I'm talking about 573 00:22:32,210 --> 00:22:27,960 thinking about going private but that's 574 00:22:35,570 --> 00:22:32,220 a whole other discussion uh Micah uh 575 00:22:40,190 --> 00:22:35,580 I'll be I'll be picking you up at uh at 576 00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:40,200 Asheville Metro I was hoping so 577 00:22:45,549 --> 00:22:42,480 um but yeah yeah they're available you 578 00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:45,559 can buy them you can you can I I didn't 579 00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:48,480 I did not know that I don't want to 580 00:22:53,570 --> 00:22:51,120 sound nice Eve but I didn't think that 581 00:22:56,570 --> 00:22:53,580 Blackhawks uh were were available for 582 00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:56,580 private sale so obviously they're out 583 00:23:01,130 --> 00:22:59,039 there they're owned uh they are owned by 584 00:23:02,350 --> 00:23:01,140 aircraft companies and leasing companies 585 00:23:08,990 --> 00:23:02,360 and 586 00:23:11,049 --> 00:23:09,000 plenty of Blackhawks for sale so there 587 00:23:14,210 --> 00:23:11,059 you go they probably picked them up in 588 00:23:18,350 --> 00:23:14,220 Afghanistan when we left them behind and 589 00:23:20,270 --> 00:23:18,360 so anyway but yeah now what about 590 00:23:22,610 --> 00:23:20,280 um well while we're on the conversation 591 00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,620 of helicopters look at this image right 592 00:23:26,090 --> 00:23:24,240 here when they were doing the experiment 593 00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,100 Eric and Caleb were in the helicopter 594 00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:28,799 with Cameron fugel and they were 595 00:23:35,630 --> 00:23:32,159 dropping these huge black balls from the 596 00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:35,640 notorious triangle coming down and to do 597 00:23:38,570 --> 00:23:36,960 GPS 598 00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:38,580 um signals on them to figure out what 599 00:23:42,490 --> 00:23:40,320 was happening and what was really 600 00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:42,500 interesting about this particular scene 601 00:23:48,169 --> 00:23:45,840 is that when they were looking at not 602 00:23:52,130 --> 00:23:48,179 only the data but also the video footage 603 00:23:55,490 --> 00:23:52,140 Eric Bard placed an embossed filter 604 00:24:00,350 --> 00:23:55,500 over over when the helicopter was in 605 00:24:02,090 --> 00:24:00,360 frame and they noticed a UFO in in the 606 00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:02,100 screen in the frame 607 00:24:08,270 --> 00:24:04,799 and what's this is something that I used 608 00:24:09,649 --> 00:24:08,280 to do a lot when I first started this 609 00:24:12,529 --> 00:24:09,659 YouTube channel 610 00:24:14,990 --> 00:24:12,539 um I used to analyze UFO videos and I 611 00:24:17,270 --> 00:24:15,000 would Place filters over them because 612 00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,280 sometimes a filter can see what the 613 00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:19,919 naked eye can't so this isn't altering 614 00:24:25,370 --> 00:24:23,039 it in any way in a negative format or or 615 00:24:28,010 --> 00:24:25,380 creating something that isn't there it's 616 00:24:30,529 --> 00:24:28,020 only enhancing things that we aren't 617 00:24:32,750 --> 00:24:30,539 seeing with our eyes so I found this 618 00:24:35,390 --> 00:24:32,760 really smart on Eric's behalf to apply 619 00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:35,400 filters to see if anything bizarre was 620 00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,159 coming up anything anomalous and he did 621 00:24:42,770 --> 00:24:40,080 in fact find something really weird 622 00:24:44,210 --> 00:24:42,780 Travis took a deeper look at it and he 623 00:24:47,149 --> 00:24:44,220 said that it looks something very 624 00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:47,159 similar to what they saw last week uh 625 00:24:52,130 --> 00:24:50,400 last episode which was a UFO that had 626 00:24:55,970 --> 00:24:52,140 two hemispheres 627 00:24:58,010 --> 00:24:55,980 it was split it would be split 628 00:25:01,070 --> 00:24:58,020 um now I don't 629 00:25:04,370 --> 00:25:01,080 um I'm not here to poo poo on anything 630 00:25:06,409 --> 00:25:04,380 um with anybody but the emboss feature 631 00:25:07,549 --> 00:25:06,419 you can emboss anything that's a 2d 632 00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:07,559 object 633 00:25:12,590 --> 00:25:10,080 okay so it doesn't matter you can have a 634 00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:12,600 flat piece of paper with printing on it 635 00:25:17,930 --> 00:25:15,120 and take a picture of it we know that 636 00:25:21,169 --> 00:25:17,940 it's flat it's 2D at an emboss filter 637 00:25:24,430 --> 00:25:21,179 and now you have a 3D object 638 00:25:28,909 --> 00:25:24,440 um that isn't to say I think here 639 00:25:31,310 --> 00:25:28,919 embossing it kind of cheats uh what 640 00:25:34,610 --> 00:25:31,320 we're actually looking at it appeared to 641 00:25:36,529 --> 00:25:34,620 be a sphere because of the Shadow but 642 00:25:39,049 --> 00:25:36,539 the embossing effect didn't help I think 643 00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:39,059 they should have just left it in 2D and 644 00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:42,000 stayed with the image that they had it's 645 00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:45,840 more honest and it represents uh more 646 00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:48,720 accurately the source of where this is 647 00:25:57,890 --> 00:25:52,799 coming from but that being said 648 00:25:59,930 --> 00:25:57,900 um it clearly is something that is in 649 00:26:03,710 --> 00:25:59,940 the sky that looks 650 00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:03,720 um spherical the embossing of it the way 651 00:26:09,470 --> 00:26:06,480 that they did it makes it look like it's 652 00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:09,480 extremely close to the helicopter and 653 00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:12,000 and that's not really fair it is 654 00:26:16,909 --> 00:26:14,880 probably way off in the distance but 655 00:26:18,529 --> 00:26:16,919 when you do that embossing effect just 656 00:26:21,169 --> 00:26:18,539 like the clouds that were behind the 657 00:26:23,570 --> 00:26:21,179 helicopter it looks like that now 658 00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:23,580 because of the embossing effect it looks 659 00:26:26,450 --> 00:26:24,960 like the clouds are touching the 660 00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:26,460 helicopter and we know that that's 661 00:26:34,490 --> 00:26:32,400 clearly not the case but it did not look 662 00:26:37,730 --> 00:26:34,500 spherical 663 00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:37,740 right it didn't is everybody following 664 00:26:43,850 --> 00:26:40,799 what I'm saying absolutely I I I was 665 00:26:47,149 --> 00:26:43,860 confused about that on on the shadow 666 00:26:49,490 --> 00:26:47,159 side there seemed to be an anomaly 667 00:26:50,990 --> 00:26:49,500 um it could be a deflated balloon you 668 00:26:54,049 --> 00:26:51,000 could see it there you see that little 669 00:26:56,750 --> 00:26:54,059 Notch now this is what I expected Travis 670 00:26:59,149 --> 00:26:56,760 Taylor to say and he didn't do it he 671 00:27:00,830 --> 00:26:59,159 didn't do it he should have done it he 672 00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:00,840 should have said that looks like the 673 00:27:06,769 --> 00:27:04,559 Dome of a flying saucer right flying 674 00:27:08,769 --> 00:27:06,779 sideways and maybe that was a dome 675 00:27:12,130 --> 00:27:08,779 because that's what it looked like to me 676 00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:12,140 it looked like a nipple some type of 677 00:27:17,930 --> 00:27:16,020 protrusion on the shadow side 678 00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:17,940 um what did you what did you make of 679 00:27:22,669 --> 00:27:20,640 this object Micah uh yeah you know again 680 00:27:24,769 --> 00:27:22,679 one could and again we got to be so 681 00:27:26,990 --> 00:27:24,779 careful with you know putting things 682 00:27:28,850 --> 00:27:27,000 projecting things onto what we see but a 683 00:27:32,029 --> 00:27:28,860 couple of like kind of protrusion is 684 00:27:33,409 --> 00:27:32,039 sort of implied but again you make some 685 00:27:35,570 --> 00:27:33,419 great points both of you about the 686 00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:35,580 analysis side of this you know layering 687 00:27:40,669 --> 00:27:38,700 that embossed filter does help bring out 688 00:27:42,649 --> 00:27:40,679 the object it can also potentially 689 00:27:44,810 --> 00:27:42,659 create artifacts you know Mick West has 690 00:27:47,330 --> 00:27:44,820 already chimed in and said yeah that 691 00:27:49,070 --> 00:27:47,340 embossing probably introduced artifacts 692 00:27:50,690 --> 00:27:49,080 that made this look a little more 693 00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,700 extraordinary it's probably just aerial 694 00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:53,039 clutter you know without even going that 695 00:27:56,390 --> 00:27:54,720 far from my own part that first one 696 00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,400 Christina that you mentioned from the 697 00:28:00,529 --> 00:27:58,320 previous episodes where we saw all the 698 00:28:02,450 --> 00:28:00,539 seemingly hemispherical object that had 699 00:28:04,250 --> 00:28:02,460 a kind of a line down the the center 700 00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:04,260 that would be interesting if that's 701 00:28:08,330 --> 00:28:06,000 indeed what it looked like but I mean I 702 00:28:10,730 --> 00:28:08,340 would really greatly caution against 703 00:28:13,970 --> 00:28:10,740 making those kinds of assertions based 704 00:28:17,690 --> 00:28:13,980 on very pixelated imagery sometimes with 705 00:28:19,730 --> 00:28:17,700 filtration added that greatly enhances 706 00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,740 the amount of digital artifacts or the 707 00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:21,120 potential for their appearance that 708 00:28:24,830 --> 00:28:22,799 seems to be what's going on Jimmy kind 709 00:28:26,750 --> 00:28:24,840 of covered that already these images 710 00:28:29,149 --> 00:28:26,760 rather than just looking at the images 711 00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:29,159 alone and trying to maybe understand 712 00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:32,159 based on the pixel width that they 713 00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:34,080 occupy maybe the size maybe trying to 714 00:28:38,029 --> 00:28:36,000 determine the distance adding these 715 00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:38,039 layers really to me only introduces an 716 00:28:43,310 --> 00:28:40,440 unnecessary element that if misused 717 00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:43,320 could get our minds to start seeing and 718 00:28:47,210 --> 00:28:45,360 thinking things that aren't really there 719 00:28:49,010 --> 00:28:47,220 so I mean can we really say that there's 720 00:28:50,510 --> 00:28:49,020 much continuity between the appearance 721 00:28:52,610 --> 00:28:50,520 or size of this object and previous 722 00:28:54,289 --> 00:28:52,620 things that have been seen not really 723 00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:54,299 and one final thing about that you know 724 00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:56,159 we also had a nighttime appearance of a 725 00:28:59,630 --> 00:28:57,600 UAP that was I think in this episode 726 00:29:01,010 --> 00:28:59,640 episode from last night Travis and the 727 00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:01,020 team observed this it was kind of an 728 00:29:04,610 --> 00:29:02,640 orange-like light 729 00:29:06,110 --> 00:29:04,620 um orange or yellowish maybe that's 730 00:29:07,850 --> 00:29:06,120 consistent with a lot of descriptions of 731 00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:07,860 UAP that kind of fall into that low 732 00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:09,600 information Zone and immediately I'm 733 00:29:13,250 --> 00:29:10,799 thinking you know we're looking at it 734 00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:13,260 everybody's pointing at it I mean you 735 00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:14,880 know why haven't they got theodolites 736 00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:16,080 why haven't they got you know some 737 00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:17,760 high-powered binoculars telescopes and 738 00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,960 things that they can attempt to try and 739 00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,399 track these objects and get a much 740 00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,559 better look at them than with the naked 741 00:29:26,810 --> 00:29:24,960 eye in some instances they do that and 742 00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:26,820 others they don't always do that and 743 00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,600 again 744 00:29:31,130 --> 00:29:29,520 to me there's a lot of questions that 745 00:29:32,930 --> 00:29:31,140 need to be asked and I think a lot of 746 00:29:35,630 --> 00:29:32,940 measures that could be taken that might 747 00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:35,640 reduce some of these speculations that 748 00:29:39,710 --> 00:29:38,159 arise I think from the pixelization and 749 00:29:41,450 --> 00:29:39,720 the other artifacts introduced by 750 00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:41,460 digital enhancements like this that in 751 00:29:45,250 --> 00:29:42,600 truth like you said Jimmy they don't 752 00:29:48,110 --> 00:29:45,260 really do much to enhance the imagery 753 00:29:50,450 --> 00:29:48,120 well here's here's the thing to me it 754 00:29:52,450 --> 00:29:50,460 looks like the gimbal shape but more 755 00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:52,460 spherical but like you said pixelated 756 00:29:57,769 --> 00:29:55,679 filtered it can take a dense a distant 757 00:29:59,870 --> 00:29:57,779 object and give it characteristics that 758 00:30:01,850 --> 00:29:59,880 might not actually be there you both 759 00:30:04,970 --> 00:30:01,860 bring up some great points and like you 760 00:30:07,250 --> 00:30:04,980 said Micah but what is it and what a 761 00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:07,260 coincidence right again over the ranch 762 00:30:13,370 --> 00:30:10,320 where they were doing experiments it is 763 00:30:18,110 --> 00:30:13,380 a UFO or UAP by definition 764 00:30:21,169 --> 00:30:18,120 now uh can we uh before we're on such a 765 00:30:23,930 --> 00:30:21,179 limited time on on this show 766 00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:23,940 um can we on the on this review can we 767 00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:27,360 address this 1.6 gigahertz I mean this 768 00:30:33,409 --> 00:30:30,240 is kind of freaking me out a little bit 769 00:30:35,450 --> 00:30:33,419 um to have it come and go with different 770 00:30:37,130 --> 00:30:35,460 uh 771 00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,140 um it's it's not happening on the same 772 00:30:42,169 --> 00:30:39,840 day it's happening over time 773 00:30:45,230 --> 00:30:42,179 um it's happening for different reasons 774 00:30:48,190 --> 00:30:45,240 it's coming and going 775 00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:48,200 um it's it's it's very interesting to me 776 00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:52,500 I don't know what is going on and if it 777 00:30:59,149 --> 00:30:55,260 is if it is indeed coming from deep 778 00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,159 inside the Mesa at specific times when 779 00:31:02,750 --> 00:31:01,200 different activity is going on in the 780 00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:02,760 surface 781 00:31:09,049 --> 00:31:05,760 um I find that strange and then uh I I 782 00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:09,059 don't know uh his name but he you know 783 00:31:15,289 --> 00:31:12,480 he gets his headache uh Thomas Winterton 784 00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:15,299 yeah Thomas Winterton you know he gets 785 00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,000 sick again has to leave this is this has 786 00:31:22,909 --> 00:31:20,640 happened multiple times over the last uh 787 00:31:26,269 --> 00:31:22,919 three seasons right 788 00:31:29,330 --> 00:31:26,279 um and and it kicks off again apparently 789 00:31:32,510 --> 00:31:29,340 I'm not there I don't see the time 790 00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:32,520 stamps but the show is suggesting that 791 00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:34,080 all of this is happening at the same 792 00:31:39,049 --> 00:31:36,600 time we've got a UAP you've got the 793 00:31:40,970 --> 00:31:39,059 helicopter changing altitude apparently 794 00:31:43,370 --> 00:31:40,980 when nobody on the helicopter said that 795 00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:43,380 the helicopter was moving 796 00:31:51,049 --> 00:31:47,279 um uh you've got it happening when the 797 00:31:54,289 --> 00:31:51,059 the crane is attempting to operate 798 00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:54,299 um at this 1.6 gigahertz did it go off 799 00:32:00,289 --> 00:31:56,340 when they did the rocket launch in the 800 00:32:02,990 --> 00:32:00,299 last episode did was 1.6 gigahertz and 801 00:32:05,450 --> 00:32:03,000 by the way we need to come out come back 802 00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:05,460 and address The Blob uh before the end 803 00:32:10,850 --> 00:32:08,159 of the show but what's up with this 1.6 804 00:32:12,590 --> 00:32:10,860 gigahertz and why is it so important let 805 00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,600 me jump in on that one because I 806 00:32:17,630 --> 00:32:14,159 actually did some dig digging into the 807 00:32:18,889 --> 00:32:17,640 1.6 gigahertz phenomenon and actually 808 00:32:20,450 --> 00:32:18,899 found some interesting things there's 809 00:32:23,149 --> 00:32:20,460 actually some unique overlap here with 810 00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:23,159 regard to certain other UAP claims 811 00:32:26,510 --> 00:32:25,080 um I've actually even assembled a quick 812 00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,520 report here just so we can get 813 00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,799 everything uh concisely so first of all 814 00:32:32,510 --> 00:32:30,480 radio Transmissions occurring within the 815 00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,520 about one to three gigahertz range have 816 00:32:35,769 --> 00:32:34,320 been discussed for a while now I'll give 817 00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:35,779 some other examples here in a moment 818 00:32:40,610 --> 00:32:38,100 specifically this frequency of 1.6 819 00:32:42,110 --> 00:32:40,620 gigahertz there at Skinwalker Ranch and 820 00:32:44,210 --> 00:32:42,120 they show this numerous times I think 821 00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,220 throughout the last several seasons of 822 00:32:49,490 --> 00:32:47,279 the program uh these uh have been 823 00:32:51,169 --> 00:32:49,500 detected and it suggests that there 824 00:32:53,149 --> 00:32:51,179 might be some sort of correlation like 825 00:32:54,769 --> 00:32:53,159 you said there Jimmy with these 826 00:32:56,750 --> 00:32:54,779 particular transmissions and alleged 827 00:32:58,909 --> 00:32:56,760 anomalous activity but presumably also 828 00:33:01,310 --> 00:32:58,919 UAP and there have been other people 829 00:33:05,090 --> 00:33:01,320 online uh who have been saying in recent 830 00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:05,100 days that 1.6 gigahertz explicitly in 831 00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:06,720 conjunction with aerial phenomena is 832 00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:08,039 something that others claim to have 833 00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:10,320 observed so I went and started doing 834 00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,679 some digging according to a 1988 NASA a 835 00:33:17,690 --> 00:33:15,360 study that describe the results of a 836 00:33:20,830 --> 00:33:17,700 radio frequency interference survey that 837 00:33:22,730 --> 00:33:20,840 spanned from about 1.0 to 10.4 gigahertz 838 00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:22,740 and this was carried out by the way at 839 00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:24,179 the Goldstone Venus development station 840 00:33:28,490 --> 00:33:27,360 back in February of 1987. the report was 841 00:33:29,810 --> 00:33:28,500 published the following year but they 842 00:33:31,730 --> 00:33:29,820 note that the highest incidence of 843 00:33:36,590 --> 00:33:31,740 interference is in two frequency ranges 844 00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:36,600 they said 1.0 to 3.0 gigahertz and 7.7 845 00:33:41,090 --> 00:33:39,120 to 8.3 gigahertz more on that in a 846 00:33:43,490 --> 00:33:41,100 moment the study also added that the 847 00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:43,500 so-called Cosmic watering hole that for 848 00:33:47,330 --> 00:33:45,840 instance radio astronomers would use to 849 00:33:48,889 --> 00:33:47,340 try and search for evidence of 850 00:33:50,330 --> 00:33:48,899 extraterrestrial intelligence and what 851 00:33:53,630 --> 00:33:50,340 have you they said that the frequency 852 00:33:55,970 --> 00:33:53,640 range of about 1.4 to 1.7 gigahertz and 853 00:33:57,710 --> 00:33:55,980 I quote contains a significant amount of 854 00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:57,720 interference but that the radio 855 00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:00,480 astronomy bans near 1.4 gigahertz and 856 00:34:04,909 --> 00:34:03,360 1.6 gigahertz specifically are 857 00:34:06,649 --> 00:34:04,919 relatively quiet at least at the 858 00:34:09,290 --> 00:34:06,659 sensitivity achieved by this particular 859 00:34:11,149 --> 00:34:09,300 survey now fast forward to just the last 860 00:34:13,129 --> 00:34:11,159 few weeks when we saw Sean Kirkpatrick 861 00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:13,139 the director of the ultimate anomaly 862 00:34:17,470 --> 00:34:15,599 resolution office during that Senate 863 00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,480 Hearing in early 2023 864 00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,679 we also of course did an episode about 865 00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:21,359 this so anybody at home who hasn't seen 866 00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:22,800 Christina and Jimmy and I doing 867 00:34:26,329 --> 00:34:24,480 commentary on that and also their 868 00:34:28,369 --> 00:34:26,339 coverage the day of definitely check 869 00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:28,379 that out but in one of those slides that 870 00:34:33,409 --> 00:34:31,440 Dr Kirkpatrick shows us we also have uh 871 00:34:34,970 --> 00:34:33,419 reported radio frequency signatures 872 00:34:37,010 --> 00:34:34,980 associated with UAP and this coming 873 00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:37,020 directly from Arrow and their data 874 00:34:42,349 --> 00:34:39,359 they've collected these frequencies fall 875 00:34:45,470 --> 00:34:42,359 within the one to three gigahertz and 8 876 00:34:46,970 --> 00:34:45,480 to 12 gigahertz frequency ranges so 877 00:34:49,849 --> 00:34:46,980 right there there's some interesting 878 00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:49,859 overlap between this NASA study okay 879 00:34:54,889 --> 00:34:52,740 from way back in the 80s and what arrow 880 00:34:56,030 --> 00:34:54,899 is currently collecting about UAP but 881 00:34:58,130 --> 00:34:56,040 they were looking at separate different 882 00:34:59,690 --> 00:34:58,140 instances where these frequencies were 883 00:35:02,089 --> 00:34:59,700 being analyzed so I found that kind of 884 00:35:03,650 --> 00:35:02,099 interesting specifically though within 885 00:35:06,109 --> 00:35:03,660 that one to three gigahertz range that 886 00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,119 aerocytes 1.6 falls right through near 887 00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:08,640 the middle of that so it would seem that 888 00:35:12,829 --> 00:35:10,619 perhaps arrow is getting similar 889 00:35:18,609 --> 00:35:12,839 information and they've collected some 890 00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:21,490 you need to answer this question though 891 00:35:27,790 --> 00:35:25,920 isn't it possible to have data in that 892 00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:27,800 carrier band 893 00:35:34,910 --> 00:35:32,400 and can we lock onto the 1.6 gigahertz 894 00:35:37,310 --> 00:35:34,920 and see if there's information being 895 00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,320 transmitted there so the next portion of 896 00:35:41,810 --> 00:35:39,599 my report here goes on to say 897 00:35:42,589 --> 00:35:41,820 as he asks I'm glad you got that in 898 00:35:43,730 --> 00:35:42,599 there though because that is an 899 00:35:45,470 --> 00:35:43,740 important question and that's exactly 900 00:35:47,329 --> 00:35:45,480 what I cover right here so according to 901 00:35:51,230 --> 00:35:47,339 some sources online they're arguing that 902 00:35:52,690 --> 00:35:51,240 1.6 gigahertz is a rather than so much a 903 00:35:55,970 --> 00:35:52,700 frequency it's a radio transmission 904 00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:55,980 artifact of unknown modulation right 905 00:35:59,450 --> 00:35:58,079 modulation basically just means that you 906 00:36:01,310 --> 00:35:59,460 know data converted into what radio 907 00:36:03,230 --> 00:36:01,320 waves through transmission over an 908 00:36:06,530 --> 00:36:03,240 electronic carrier signal so they don't 909 00:36:07,970 --> 00:36:06,540 know what's being transmitted okay but I 910 00:36:10,490 --> 00:36:07,980 I wanted to know and this is a question 911 00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,500 I had are there any known sources of 912 00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:12,240 transmission on Earth that actually 913 00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:14,520 specifically use that 1.6 gigahertz 914 00:36:18,589 --> 00:36:16,800 frequency and guess what there is one 915 00:36:20,930 --> 00:36:18,599 that I found and it's known as the 916 00:36:22,370 --> 00:36:20,940 Iridium signal it's a frequency used by 917 00:36:23,930 --> 00:36:22,380 satellite phones that operate under 918 00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:23,940 Services provided by iridium 919 00:36:27,770 --> 00:36:26,640 constellation LLC it's known by several 920 00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:27,780 different names there are a bunch of 921 00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:29,640 different smaller companies iridium 922 00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:32,160 satellite LLC and their Carrier Services 923 00:36:39,470 --> 00:36:35,760 so I dug around in 2004 there was a 924 00:36:41,210 --> 00:36:39,480 modification to a 2003 FCC filing that 925 00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:41,220 it said that the Iridium companies were 926 00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:42,960 granted authority to operate a mobile 927 00:36:47,450 --> 00:36:45,839 satellite system in the 1.6 gigahertz 928 00:36:48,890 --> 00:36:47,460 frequency band they apparently picked 929 00:36:50,930 --> 00:36:48,900 that because it was seen as being 930 00:36:53,089 --> 00:36:50,940 advantageous for being a frequency range 931 00:36:54,770 --> 00:36:53,099 that um was kind of midway between other 932 00:36:57,069 --> 00:36:54,780 major cell communication frequencies 933 00:36:59,089 --> 00:36:57,079 currently currently in use but get this 934 00:37:01,730 --> 00:36:59,099 apparently the Iridium satellite 935 00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:01,740 Communications Network it has been 936 00:37:07,150 --> 00:37:03,359 stated in the past has also been used by 937 00:37:12,410 --> 00:37:10,910 there is one terrestrial Source not 938 00:37:14,930 --> 00:37:12,420 extraterrestrial there's one terrestrial 939 00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:14,940 source that does use that frequency uh 940 00:37:18,290 --> 00:37:17,040 can we say specifically that they are 941 00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:18,300 simply detecting satellite 942 00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:19,920 Communications frequencies out there at 943 00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:21,839 Skinwalker Ranch and that that's what 944 00:37:26,329 --> 00:37:24,480 the whole 1.6 gigahertz mystery is we 945 00:37:28,490 --> 00:37:26,339 can't I mean obviously it shows up in 946 00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,500 other places like the 1980s NASA study 947 00:37:32,270 --> 00:37:30,720 shows but I mean if I had to try and 948 00:37:34,910 --> 00:37:32,280 nail down a terrestrial Source I would 949 00:37:36,349 --> 00:37:34,920 look there first so to your point or 950 00:37:39,230 --> 00:37:36,359 your question there Jimmy about you know 951 00:37:41,089 --> 00:37:39,240 was something being transmitted if 952 00:37:43,550 --> 00:37:41,099 that's the case it has yet to be 953 00:37:44,810 --> 00:37:43,560 determined what the modulation is and 954 00:37:46,190 --> 00:37:44,820 what information may be carried over 955 00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,200 that frequency so there may still be 956 00:37:54,130 --> 00:37:48,720 some questions yeah yeah you I mean 957 00:37:57,069 --> 00:37:54,140 there may be now but let's just say 958 00:38:00,849 --> 00:37:57,079 uh an ancient 959 00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:00,859 drone not of this planet crashed 960 00:38:06,829 --> 00:38:03,599 thousands of years ago millions of years 961 00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:06,839 ago into that Mesa and that sucker's 962 00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:09,599 still transmitting right 963 00:38:15,230 --> 00:38:12,300 um or something right yeah yeah yeah 964 00:38:19,250 --> 00:38:15,240 yeah yeah exactly uh wouldn't that now 965 00:38:23,089 --> 00:38:19,260 I'm not saying but something 966 00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:23,099 um and if the 1.6 gigahertz the reason 967 00:38:28,370 --> 00:38:25,740 why I bring that up it's an unused 968 00:38:31,609 --> 00:38:28,380 frequency amongst other frequencies that 969 00:38:35,210 --> 00:38:31,619 are being locked in right and so iridium 970 00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:35,220 chose to use that because it's naked on 971 00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:38,640 other sides right for that okay and I 972 00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:40,800 don't want to get into the details but 973 00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:43,680 it's a convenient and so ET 974 00:38:55,730 --> 00:38:52,609 putting down Church yeah yeah yeah yeah 975 00:38:58,910 --> 00:38:55,740 so I I if it was me 976 00:39:00,829 --> 00:38:58,920 I would be uh listening and recording 977 00:39:06,050 --> 00:39:00,839 that much like the movie contact 978 00:39:11,089 --> 00:39:06,060 actually right you contact uh contact 979 00:39:14,569 --> 00:39:11,099 you record you record uh the the data 980 00:39:16,490 --> 00:39:14,579 and you try to pick apart the carrier 981 00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:16,500 signal and see what's see what's there 982 00:39:19,609 --> 00:39:18,180 look there may be some corroborative 983 00:39:20,930 --> 00:39:19,619 data that actually supports what you're 984 00:39:22,490 --> 00:39:20,940 talking about there Jimmy because as I 985 00:39:24,589 --> 00:39:22,500 pointed out back in the 88 study 986 00:39:25,849 --> 00:39:24,599 conducted by NASA they actually found 987 00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:25,859 that although there was a lot of 988 00:39:30,770 --> 00:39:28,079 interference between the one and three 989 00:39:33,290 --> 00:39:30,780 gigahertz uh frequency range I think 990 00:39:35,089 --> 00:39:33,300 like 1.4 and 1.6 specifically there was 991 00:39:37,730 --> 00:39:35,099 a whole lot less of it so those may 992 00:39:40,609 --> 00:39:37,740 actually be viewed cosmically speaking 993 00:39:42,530 --> 00:39:40,619 if we were to speculate okay as being 994 00:39:44,450 --> 00:39:42,540 avenues that would be ideal for 995 00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:44,460 communication that may be in part kind 996 00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:46,560 of like you're saying yes iridium 997 00:39:50,270 --> 00:39:48,720 decided to do that incidentally I forgot 998 00:39:51,710 --> 00:39:50,280 one thing too I found two studies 999 00:39:53,930 --> 00:39:51,720 actually there are several similar 1000 00:39:57,170 --> 00:39:53,940 studies but two specifically yet again 1001 00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,180 from right around 2003 and 2004 the same 1002 00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,280 time that those FCC filings I dug up had 1003 00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,160 been filed a couple of studies where 1004 00:40:07,069 --> 00:40:04,560 they gauge the health effects of 1.6 1005 00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:07,079 gigahertz frequencies on Lab Rats they 1006 00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:09,599 didn't find any kind of of danger no 1007 00:40:13,370 --> 00:40:11,520 real differences between those rats and 1008 00:40:14,510 --> 00:40:13,380 a control group but I found it 1009 00:40:16,730 --> 00:40:14,520 interesting that right around the same 1010 00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:16,740 time those FCC filings took place that 1011 00:40:19,550 --> 00:40:17,700 there were these two separate 1012 00:40:21,230 --> 00:40:19,560 independent studies to try and gauge the 1013 00:40:24,290 --> 00:40:21,240 health effects of that specific 1014 00:40:28,130 --> 00:40:24,300 frequency which was kind of odd yeah now 1015 00:40:31,550 --> 00:40:28,140 can we um uh man this show just blew by 1016 00:40:34,670 --> 00:40:31,560 Christina Well if you we we can go over 1017 00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:34,680 if if time permits for y'all oh I bet we 1018 00:40:41,450 --> 00:40:38,280 can Christina I bet you would love for 1019 00:40:44,450 --> 00:40:41,460 us to run uh can we get to the blob yeah 1020 00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:44,460 let's do it can we discuss the blob The 1021 00:40:49,069 --> 00:40:46,560 Blob last week 1022 00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:49,079 um Christina you could you could take it 1023 00:40:54,170 --> 00:40:50,880 away and describe the blob but the blob 1024 00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:54,180 last week stopped me in my tracks I 1025 00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:56,940 watched that and I went back over and 1026 00:41:02,210 --> 00:41:00,000 over this this week 1027 00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:02,220 I looked at the blob a little bit 1028 00:41:08,510 --> 00:41:06,480 differently and now and again I'm not 1029 00:41:11,230 --> 00:41:08,520 here to poo poo I I don't want to do 1030 00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:11,240 that no man but 1031 00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:14,160 it looked like 1032 00:41:19,849 --> 00:41:18,240 um as they froze or as they used you 1033 00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:19,859 know the shooting at a thousand frames 1034 00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:22,079 per second right so now we're looking at 1035 00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:26,400 these thousand and it looks to me 1036 00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:29,520 like it's it's it's camera flare it's 1037 00:41:39,710 --> 00:41:36,000 lens flare it looks to me that as the 1038 00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:39,720 engine ignited on the ground The Blob 1039 00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:43,740 grew exactly at the same time and as the 1040 00:41:51,470 --> 00:41:47,280 rocket took off the blob changed shape 1041 00:41:53,870 --> 00:41:51,480 if you look at the exact moments that 1042 00:41:55,970 --> 00:41:53,880 the light was changing from the ground 1043 00:41:58,849 --> 00:41:55,980 from the launch 1044 00:42:02,150 --> 00:41:58,859 okay now the 31 feet and the rocket 1045 00:42:04,970 --> 00:42:02,160 exploding where that what okay but 1046 00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:04,980 because the blob didn't move the camera 1047 00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:08,400 didn't move right so the the light from 1048 00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:12,540 the ground is in the same place camera's 1049 00:42:18,349 --> 00:42:15,599 not moving therefore the lens flare if 1050 00:42:21,609 --> 00:42:18,359 that's indeed what it was I'm not saying 1051 00:42:24,349 --> 00:42:21,619 it is but I didn't notice that last week 1052 00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:24,359 I thought that the blob was there before 1053 00:42:29,890 --> 00:42:27,720 and it wasn't the blob was only there 1054 00:42:33,710 --> 00:42:29,900 when the ground lit up 1055 00:42:35,390 --> 00:42:33,720 so I I don't know what so what do you 1056 00:42:36,890 --> 00:42:35,400 guys think of this blob I pretty much 1057 00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,900 agree with that assessment Christina 1058 00:42:42,050 --> 00:42:38,640 what do you think it's it's an 1059 00:42:44,089 --> 00:42:42,060 interesting uh point that was made and I 1060 00:42:46,190 --> 00:42:44,099 wish that we were able to see all of the 1061 00:42:49,849 --> 00:42:46,200 images before the rocket even launched 1062 00:42:52,490 --> 00:42:49,859 but the operator of the camera he would 1063 00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:52,500 have spoken out about that and and uh 1064 00:42:57,290 --> 00:42:54,720 and this week Eric acknowledged that 1065 00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:57,300 there was some Flair there as well but 1066 00:43:02,750 --> 00:43:00,480 they they see other elements during the 1067 00:43:05,329 --> 00:43:02,760 first part of this new episode as well 1068 00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:05,339 they see these odd weird lights in the 1069 00:43:10,250 --> 00:43:08,400 sky so while while I can I I smell what 1070 00:43:11,690 --> 00:43:10,260 you're cooking Jimmy 1071 00:43:14,270 --> 00:43:11,700 um but I think that it would have been 1072 00:43:17,390 --> 00:43:14,280 addressed if that was the case or maybe 1073 00:43:21,530 --> 00:43:17,400 or I thought see last week I didn't see 1074 00:43:25,010 --> 00:43:21,540 it right and maybe it wasn't high speed 1075 00:43:28,970 --> 00:43:25,020 images I I don't know last week it hit 1076 00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:28,980 me differently today I caught that in 1077 00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:31,200 these still images I was like wait wait 1078 00:43:36,770 --> 00:43:34,079 wait wait wait wait wait but 1079 00:43:37,730 --> 00:43:36,780 then again Christina brings up that 1080 00:43:41,329 --> 00:43:37,740 point 1081 00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,339 um uh Micah there's a freaking UAP Right 1082 00:43:46,910 --> 00:43:43,520 Above It 1083 00:43:49,609 --> 00:43:46,920 cruising through the sky 1084 00:43:52,490 --> 00:43:49,619 um at at that moment of the rocket 1085 00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:52,500 launch when yeah yeah they tied together 1086 00:43:56,809 --> 00:43:55,200 pretty well I don't know I don't know I 1087 00:44:01,250 --> 00:43:56,819 don't know but I think that was a lens 1088 00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:01,260 flare but that that whole 31 feet 1089 00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:03,839 um thing I have I do have issues with a 1090 00:44:09,130 --> 00:44:07,140 a commercial grade rocket engine those 1091 00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,140 things are pretty consistent 1092 00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,280 I mean given all the things we're 1093 00:44:14,930 --> 00:44:13,200 discussing here maybe not just specific 1094 00:44:16,430 --> 00:44:14,940 to last night's episode but I mean in 1095 00:44:18,290 --> 00:44:16,440 the sum total or at least within this 1096 00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,300 season what's the strangest thing to the 1097 00:44:24,050 --> 00:44:20,640 two of you that we've seen so far 1098 00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,060 oh oh on the show okay definitely last 1099 00:44:29,089 --> 00:44:26,160 season I believe it was episode six 1100 00:44:31,490 --> 00:44:29,099 where they saw this weird light in the 1101 00:44:34,370 --> 00:44:31,500 sky and they perceived it to be or they 1102 00:44:36,050 --> 00:44:34,380 hypothesized it to be a wormhole blew my 1103 00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:36,060 mind I was like wormholes I could talk 1104 00:44:39,530 --> 00:44:37,440 about those in some of those all day 1105 00:44:41,329 --> 00:44:39,540 yeah what do you think Jimmy 1106 00:44:46,730 --> 00:44:41,339 uh 1107 00:44:47,690 --> 00:44:46,740 know how much you caught from last 1108 00:44:54,670 --> 00:44:47,700 season 1109 00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:54,680 right uh that was flying overhead 1110 00:45:02,089 --> 00:44:58,880 and and and doing circles actually and 1111 00:45:06,250 --> 00:45:02,099 uh that was that was pretty strange and 1112 00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:06,260 this Blackhawk uh situation this week 1113 00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:10,560 and when you tie in the Blackhawk uh to 1114 00:45:17,809 --> 00:45:14,400 uaps and this rocket LA and the and that 1115 00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:17,819 there is and and this 1.6 gigahertz 1116 00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:20,160 that's coming out of the ground I don't 1117 00:45:23,690 --> 00:45:21,599 know 1118 00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:23,700 um I I think that everything is 1119 00:45:28,130 --> 00:45:26,280 connected I just don't know what it is I 1120 00:45:31,010 --> 00:45:28,140 I don't 1121 00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:31,020 um to go this is 1122 00:45:36,170 --> 00:45:34,079 I think it's going a bit too far 1123 00:45:39,650 --> 00:45:36,180 to suggest that we've got a metallic 1124 00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:39,660 Dome underneath the Mesa right that is 1125 00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:42,720 is that is that large or 1126 00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,319 if if there is a metallic Dome are we 1127 00:45:50,510 --> 00:45:48,240 talking about a giant craft number one 1128 00:45:55,130 --> 00:45:50,520 but then to have this hundred foot tall 1129 00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:55,140 anomaly that's what 10 20 meters wide 1130 00:45:59,569 --> 00:45:57,599 um is is a strange thing and it appears 1131 00:46:01,910 --> 00:45:59,579 to be metal 1132 00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:01,920 um and then they extracted all of the 1133 00:46:05,870 --> 00:46:03,900 metal shavings out of the ground when 1134 00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:05,880 they did the drilling 1135 00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:07,440 um again 1136 00:46:12,170 --> 00:46:10,560 um uh exotic metal too as well it wasn't 1137 00:46:15,770 --> 00:46:12,180 like 1138 00:46:17,630 --> 00:46:15,780 um shag or or stuff that happens you 1139 00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:17,640 know it always said consistent with what 1140 00:46:21,650 --> 00:46:19,380 you would you know use on the exterior 1141 00:46:23,390 --> 00:46:21,660 of a spacecraft basically something the 1142 00:46:26,690 --> 00:46:23,400 space shuttle except for that that's 1143 00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:26,700 that would be ceramic tiles right so are 1144 00:46:31,130 --> 00:46:28,200 they are they talking about what's 1145 00:46:33,410 --> 00:46:31,140 inside of that I I don't know what the 1146 00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:33,420 space shuttle right the metallic 1147 00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:36,480 airframe is made of but 1148 00:46:40,490 --> 00:46:38,220 um you know that's what they are 1149 00:46:42,170 --> 00:46:40,500 suggesting there too as well but what 1150 00:46:46,430 --> 00:46:42,180 that would say is that it's man-made 1151 00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:46,440 this isn't the natural metallic 1152 00:46:53,089 --> 00:46:50,160 um uh you know uh core of something that 1153 00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,099 you would mine for you know manufactured 1154 00:46:58,250 --> 00:46:55,680 space age metal basically yeah yeah 1155 00:47:00,109 --> 00:46:58,260 pretty straight 1156 00:47:01,910 --> 00:47:00,119 yeah well you know I mean so the point 1157 00:47:03,530 --> 00:47:01,920 about the Black Hawk helicopter again 1158 00:47:06,109 --> 00:47:03,540 that one's kind of a sticking point for 1159 00:47:07,490 --> 00:47:06,119 me now I'll say also again as a quick 1160 00:47:08,750 --> 00:47:07,500 call back to earlier stuff that's 1161 00:47:11,569 --> 00:47:08,760 happened out there and having talked 1162 00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:11,579 with Dr Taylor a little about this too 1163 00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:14,640 um his story about being exposed to 1164 00:47:18,829 --> 00:47:17,280 radiation from some source and actually 1165 00:47:21,530 --> 00:47:18,839 suffering some effects of radiation 1166 00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,540 sickness that's pretty strange 1167 00:47:25,370 --> 00:47:23,760 um and it's one of these weird areas 1168 00:47:27,290 --> 00:47:25,380 where there seems to be a bit of overlap 1169 00:47:29,870 --> 00:47:27,300 between what some of the people you know 1170 00:47:31,490 --> 00:47:29,880 who have gone to Skinwalker and those 1171 00:47:33,410 --> 00:47:31,500 who have been sufferers of so-called 1172 00:47:35,089 --> 00:47:33,420 Havana syndrome these anomalous Health 1173 00:47:37,069 --> 00:47:35,099 incidents that the dod has been looking 1174 00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,079 into there seems to be some overlap 1175 00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:39,599 there I've even heard it speculated that 1176 00:47:43,130 --> 00:47:41,040 I mean could there be some sort of a 1177 00:47:45,770 --> 00:47:43,140 test going on out there at or around 1178 00:47:47,569 --> 00:47:45,780 Skinwalker Ranch that involves those 1179 00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:47,579 kinds of you know Technologies or 1180 00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,960 technologies that could induce those 1181 00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:50,880 kinds of experiences now if it's a 1182 00:47:54,650 --> 00:47:53,280 private property that doesn't make any 1183 00:47:57,170 --> 00:47:54,660 sense to me 1184 00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:57,180 um but then we have this this uh-60 show 1185 00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,280 up which seems to be in mean the the 1186 00:48:02,569 --> 00:48:01,200 evidence seems to be suggestive of a 1187 00:48:04,550 --> 00:48:02,579 military helicopter that flew out there 1188 00:48:05,870 --> 00:48:04,560 to check out what was going on right so 1189 00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,880 that's interesting if there's absolutely 1190 00:48:10,010 --> 00:48:07,920 nothing going on at Skinwalker if 1191 00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:10,020 there's no interest in it why in the 1192 00:48:13,069 --> 00:48:11,520 world there would have been that 1193 00:48:15,890 --> 00:48:13,079 helicopter flying I mean that's strange 1194 00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:15,900 and if indeed actual radiation has been 1195 00:48:20,450 --> 00:48:18,420 produced or has been detected there and 1196 00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:20,460 Dr Taylor actually was affected by it 1197 00:48:24,890 --> 00:48:22,880 what's the source of that I mean 1198 00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,900 stuff going on out there go ahead Jimmy 1199 00:48:29,329 --> 00:48:27,119 that private plane last year that was 1200 00:48:32,450 --> 00:48:29,339 doing Loops over the property and they 1201 00:48:34,910 --> 00:48:32,460 were tracking that in Flight Aware 1202 00:48:36,290 --> 00:48:34,920 um uh you know tracking software 1203 00:48:40,970 --> 00:48:36,300 um I found that pretty interesting 1204 00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:40,980 here's here ultimately this is where I 1205 00:48:46,849 --> 00:48:43,440 am at 1206 00:48:51,290 --> 00:48:46,859 um something is is underground 1207 00:48:53,870 --> 00:48:51,300 you we've got to get to that now if it 1208 00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:53,880 appears to not have been deliberately 1209 00:48:59,450 --> 00:48:57,599 buried and placed there and looking at 1210 00:49:02,030 --> 00:48:59,460 the way the rocks and the way the side 1211 00:49:04,010 --> 00:49:02,040 of the mace is it doesn't that seem very 1212 00:49:06,170 --> 00:49:04,020 difficult to dig a hole and then Place 1213 00:49:10,010 --> 00:49:06,180 those rocks back they they can't pull 1214 00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:10,020 the Rocks off right so to do that it 1215 00:49:16,130 --> 00:49:12,420 would suggest to me that whatever is 1216 00:49:22,190 --> 00:49:16,140 there has been there for a freaking long 1217 00:49:25,329 --> 00:49:22,200 time and if we find some anomaly that is 1218 00:49:28,130 --> 00:49:25,339 not natural that is metallic 1219 00:49:30,589 --> 00:49:28,140 underneath that Mesa that has been there 1220 00:49:32,809 --> 00:49:30,599 for millions and millions of years we've 1221 00:49:35,210 --> 00:49:32,819 got a freaking issue here we've got a 1222 00:49:36,650 --> 00:49:35,220 really big deal let me add one last 1223 00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:36,660 thing just because I want to try and tie 1224 00:49:39,770 --> 00:49:37,920 together what you're saying in a little 1225 00:49:41,329 --> 00:49:39,780 bit of the ancient Mysteries of the 1226 00:49:42,170 --> 00:49:41,339 construction of these monuments that you 1227 00:49:43,609 --> 00:49:42,180 brought up right there at the beginning 1228 00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:43,619 because you know I love those pyramids 1229 00:49:47,890 --> 00:49:45,119 Jimmy Jimmy and I both were just 1230 00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:47,900 Fanatics for ancient archeology apology 1231 00:49:51,470 --> 00:49:50,160 when Chrissy Newton and I had gone out 1232 00:49:53,150 --> 00:49:51,480 there to a conference last year and we 1233 00:49:55,849 --> 00:49:53,160 spent a couple of days doing research 1234 00:49:57,530 --> 00:49:55,859 there in the area we spent a lot of time 1235 00:49:59,569 --> 00:49:57,540 looking at the archeology of the region 1236 00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:59,579 we were actually taken by our hosts up 1237 00:50:02,990 --> 00:50:01,680 to a location that was on private 1238 00:50:04,490 --> 00:50:03,000 property we had permission from the 1239 00:50:05,930 --> 00:50:04,500 owners and we actually got to see some 1240 00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,940 incredible archeology out there 1241 00:50:09,530 --> 00:50:07,680 Christina I think I may have sent you 1242 00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:09,540 some photos from that at one point and 1243 00:50:12,589 --> 00:50:10,800 we also went up and we toured what's 1244 00:50:14,650 --> 00:50:12,599 known as the McConkey Ranch and we saw 1245 00:50:17,690 --> 00:50:14,660 some of this ancient Fremont 1246 00:50:19,790 --> 00:50:17,700 petroglyphic art that's inscribed all 1247 00:50:23,630 --> 00:50:19,800 over these you know this rock face up 1248 00:50:26,030 --> 00:50:23,640 there you do see a particular Motif in 1249 00:50:28,609 --> 00:50:26,040 the Fremont art that is similar to this 1250 00:50:30,770 --> 00:50:28,619 sort of a swirling design that they 1251 00:50:32,510 --> 00:50:30,780 would liken to a so-called portal on the 1252 00:50:34,550 --> 00:50:32,520 program and it's very similar to the 1253 00:50:36,890 --> 00:50:34,560 shape that appears on top of that Mesa 1254 00:50:38,809 --> 00:50:36,900 that one individual had said actually 1255 00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:38,819 was an archaeological feature it's 1256 00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:40,079 something that had been built by someone 1257 00:50:43,010 --> 00:50:41,040 now 1258 00:50:44,450 --> 00:50:43,020 unfortunately I mean I've been shown and 1259 00:50:46,010 --> 00:50:44,460 in fact this happened a lot when I was 1260 00:50:47,329 --> 00:50:46,020 in Utah too people would take me and say 1261 00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:47,339 we've got an archaeological feature if 1262 00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,720 we crawl up on top of this mountain if 1263 00:50:51,710 --> 00:50:50,640 we get up on top of that Cliff so you 1264 00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:51,720 know as I tend to do I'll go Indiana 1265 00:50:55,549 --> 00:50:53,520 Jones and we crawl up there and look on 1266 00:50:57,470 --> 00:50:55,559 top of this cliff and lo and behold 1267 00:51:00,170 --> 00:50:57,480 often the archaeological feature I was 1268 00:51:01,730 --> 00:51:00,180 told was there was a geological feature 1269 00:51:03,530 --> 00:51:01,740 it wasn't actually carved it was 1270 00:51:05,089 --> 00:51:03,540 something yeah it was carved but by wind 1271 00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,099 right there was differential weathering 1272 00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:07,440 or some natural process and you know 1273 00:51:11,630 --> 00:51:09,119 having spent a lot of time in the field 1274 00:51:13,790 --> 00:51:11,640 with a geologist James Waldo and with a 1275 00:51:15,230 --> 00:51:13,800 lot of archaeologists and comparing and 1276 00:51:17,809 --> 00:51:15,240 contrasting archaeological versus 1277 00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,819 geological features you know you begin 1278 00:51:21,410 --> 00:51:20,160 to learn to spot those differences so I 1279 00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:21,420 would be interested 1280 00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,040 and I haven't had time to look into this 1281 00:51:27,770 --> 00:51:25,440 like we have the the 1.6 gigahertz stuff 1282 00:51:29,329 --> 00:51:27,780 but maybe for a future discussion I want 1283 00:51:31,130 --> 00:51:29,339 to look more closely at that purported 1284 00:51:33,170 --> 00:51:31,140 archaeological feature on top of that 1285 00:51:35,390 --> 00:51:33,180 Mesa and see if indeed it does match 1286 00:51:36,890 --> 00:51:35,400 things I've seen in petroglyphic 1287 00:51:40,609 --> 00:51:36,900 representations elsewhere they're in 1288 00:51:42,109 --> 00:51:40,619 Utah because if so and if that that Mesa 1289 00:51:43,730 --> 00:51:42,119 was seen as being something of 1290 00:51:45,530 --> 00:51:43,740 significance to ancient people that 1291 00:51:48,049 --> 00:51:45,540 could be a really interesting point if 1292 00:51:54,170 --> 00:51:48,059 if that's where the data leads 1293 00:51:57,170 --> 00:51:54,180 I I agree I agree I I did the same thing 1294 00:51:58,010 --> 00:51:57,180 um in Arizona and I went to a Petroglyph 1295 00:52:02,329 --> 00:51:58,020 site 1296 00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:02,339 and it's one of the largest in in North 1297 00:52:08,210 --> 00:52:05,520 Central and South America they have 750 1298 00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:08,220 petroglyphs in this WOW in this Valley 1299 00:52:15,770 --> 00:52:12,000 right okay they don't know who made them 1300 00:52:18,109 --> 00:52:15,780 and they're dated to at least 2500 years 1301 00:52:19,089 --> 00:52:18,119 old before the indigenous culture of the 1302 00:52:24,349 --> 00:52:19,099 Mojave 1303 00:52:26,770 --> 00:52:24,359 said that we didn't do this we we don't 1304 00:52:30,589 --> 00:52:26,780 know what this represents but 1305 00:52:34,970 --> 00:52:30,599 I swear and all that is Holy Micah and 1306 00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:34,980 Christina there's an origin story here 1307 00:52:39,470 --> 00:52:37,920 you can look at it you can see 1308 00:52:41,390 --> 00:52:39,480 everything is traveling in the same 1309 00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:41,400 direction everything is moving there's 1310 00:52:46,370 --> 00:52:43,440 what it's the middle of the desert right 1311 00:52:48,589 --> 00:52:46,380 there's water involved 1312 00:52:52,730 --> 00:52:48,599 um there are things that represent now 1313 00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,740 when you are doing Ancient Art you are 1314 00:53:01,370 --> 00:52:54,480 usually 1315 00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:01,380 drawing something that you see in nature 1316 00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:03,599 because you see it 1317 00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:06,720 you see it right you see a circle right 1318 00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:10,079 you see water you see think you know but 1319 00:53:13,250 --> 00:53:12,000 you know what you don't see in a in 1320 00:53:15,290 --> 00:53:13,260 nature 1321 00:53:17,630 --> 00:53:15,300 a double helix 1322 00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:17,640 where do you see that in nature but 1323 00:53:23,870 --> 00:53:20,040 there's this double helix there which 1324 00:53:27,650 --> 00:53:23,880 would indicate to me DNA there 1325 00:53:31,609 --> 00:53:27,660 um there was a circular uh a curve a 1326 00:53:36,049 --> 00:53:31,619 oval with objects in the inside of it I 1327 00:53:37,609 --> 00:53:36,059 swear it looks like mitochondrial stuff 1328 00:53:40,010 --> 00:53:37,619 it looks like you're looking like inside 1329 00:53:42,829 --> 00:53:40,020 of a cell when you're looking in a 1330 00:53:44,089 --> 00:53:42,839 microscope and we've all done that and 1331 00:53:45,130 --> 00:53:44,099 you're seeing this on the side of this 1332 00:53:48,410 --> 00:53:45,140 car 1333 00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:48,420 you got DNA you got this dude with this 1334 00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:51,359 helmet with antenna you've got that 1335 00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:53,280 there's another thing there's this water 1336 00:53:58,670 --> 00:53:54,900 with this 1337 00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:58,680 um a stick figure standing on the water 1338 00:54:05,329 --> 00:54:01,200 with his arms outstretched in one hand 1339 00:54:09,970 --> 00:54:05,339 he's holding a cross it's floating all 1340 00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:09,980 right on the other hand a ball 1341 00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:12,720 what's he doing he's holding it out like 1342 00:54:18,190 --> 00:54:16,319 this and he's standing on waves 1343 00:54:21,049 --> 00:54:18,200 it's like 1344 00:54:25,130 --> 00:54:21,059 what is going now I don't know what what 1345 00:54:27,170 --> 00:54:25,140 it represents but it feels like this is 1346 00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:27,180 where we came from this is who we are 1347 00:54:33,170 --> 00:54:29,760 this is where we are at and we're 1348 00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:33,180 writing our story down here for you 1349 00:54:37,790 --> 00:54:35,040 um I can't figure it out I'm not smart 1350 00:54:40,430 --> 00:54:37,800 enough but I am smart enough to see that 1351 00:54:42,890 --> 00:54:40,440 they're telling a story right do you 1352 00:54:45,470 --> 00:54:42,900 follow what I'm saying and yeah there's 1353 00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:45,480 an origin story here and we see it all 1354 00:54:50,030 --> 00:54:48,000 over the place so when you go to 1355 00:54:53,809 --> 00:54:50,040 something like 1356 00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:53,819 um the intia Basin and these anomalies 1357 00:54:57,170 --> 00:54:55,440 and these things that are happening 1358 00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:57,180 there it's not the only location in the 1359 00:55:02,569 --> 00:55:00,240 United States where this goes down but 1360 00:55:05,329 --> 00:55:02,579 we need to start connecting these dots 1361 00:55:07,549 --> 00:55:05,339 and and fully understand the indigenous 1362 00:55:10,730 --> 00:55:07,559 cultures there what they understand 1363 00:55:12,770 --> 00:55:10,740 about this and the strangeness that 1364 00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:12,780 appears to be centered around this Mesa 1365 00:55:20,450 --> 00:55:16,200 so yeah yeah I'm very interested in this 1366 00:55:22,930 --> 00:55:20,460 1.6 man uh that that one that one's kind 1367 00:55:25,730 --> 00:55:22,940 of got me that one 1368 00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:25,740 Foofa and and Micah brought some really 1369 00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:27,839 great information about that because so 1370 00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:30,240 many people have questions about the 1.6 1371 00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:32,160 gigahertz it's been consistent 1372 00:55:36,589 --> 00:55:34,319 throughout all the seasons and we've 1373 00:55:40,010 --> 00:55:36,599 received very very little information on 1374 00:55:42,890 --> 00:55:40,020 what it's used for why it's there how it 1375 00:55:44,690 --> 00:55:42,900 can be used in in the mundane world so 1376 00:55:47,390 --> 00:55:44,700 Micah I want to say thank you so much 1377 00:55:49,309 --> 00:55:47,400 for sharing that with us and both of you 1378 00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:49,319 thank you so much for doing this review 1379 00:55:54,530 --> 00:55:52,500 with three of us it has been an absolute 1380 00:55:56,750 --> 00:55:54,540 blast I would like to mention that in a 1381 00:55:58,790 --> 00:55:56,760 few minutes the premiere of the 1382 00:56:01,069 --> 00:55:58,800 interview with Thomas Winterton will be 1383 00:56:04,250 --> 00:56:01,079 starting shortly on and Christina 1384 00:56:06,109 --> 00:56:04,260 Gomez's YouTube the headache yeah the 1385 00:56:09,410 --> 00:56:06,119 guy with the headache exactly that was 1386 00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:09,420 this interview after the headache 1387 00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,520 yes well it was but she didn't know 1388 00:56:14,690 --> 00:56:13,200 about it at the time right that's 1389 00:56:19,370 --> 00:56:14,700 correct okay 1390 00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:19,380 oh really really I I I so then is it 1391 00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:21,839 live or tape it's pre-recorded it's a 1392 00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,240 Premiere so I just wanted to say thank 1393 00:56:29,210 --> 00:56:26,640 you everyone for watching these if if 1394 00:56:32,270 --> 00:56:29,220 you enjoyed the review hit the thumbs up 1395 00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:32,280 let us know that you enjoyed it comment 1396 00:56:39,470 --> 00:56:35,520 share it and we will catch all of you